Event ID: 2962742 Event Started: 6/15/2016 7:00:00 PM ---------- Please stand by for reatime captions. >>I am showing it is the top of the hour this is Robbin Bull with NCDB. I want to welcome everybody. I will go through some housekeeping items before I handed over to Sam will be kicking off today's webinar. First of all, all phone lines have been muted to alleviate background noise. The question-and-answer session will occur at the end of the presentation, but please feel free to post questions in the chat pod throughout the presentation. We want you to know that this webinar will be recorded and archived for future viewing. I will start the recording now. When you hear the little voice sound, then you are welcome to start. >> Great. Think everyone and thank you for joining us today. Today the goal is really to one a little bit more about Summit 2016 and activities leading up to it. Today there will be four of us presenting. Gail and myself and Linda from NCDB. I am sure many of you know Susan from the network over the years and you may be aware or not that she has been doing some work with us around our network engagements and some specific work around strategic planning with NCDB. You will hear a bit about that today. A welcome to Susan. We are glad to be working with her. >> She will kick it off and then you will hear a little bit from us as we go through the hour. Susan Thank you, Sam. It's my privilege and our to be working with NCDB on this really exciting time of life. This is pretty cool. Our outcomes for today's webinar, we really just want to be able to share with you so that you come away with an understanding of the purpose for it the Summit 2016, and that being we hope everyone leaves with action steps for implementation and T letter a that will be a national activity to build a stronger network. We also want to make sure that today you have an idea of what the process will be for each of us to prepare for the summit. Some of the work that he referred to that we have been doing within NCDB that I have been privileged to be involved with is really looking at a clarification of vision and values. During the webinar today, we hope that you will have an understanding of the rationale for doing that work. We also want to be able to completely transparent about the steps of that we have taken to get to that place and to create some draft documents that we really want to share with you and then provide you with opportunities to give input and be part of this whole process of a vision and a shared values statement. We then hope that by the time we're finished today, we will have a sense of the post summit plan. Once we leave summit and have some action plans what kinds of activities will be conducted to take the next step, and one of those things we have already identified is the deaf blind network needs assessment. It's to really look across the network at what those needs are. >> We created a visual for you to see how we are hoping to strategically move these ideas forward. The NCDB visioning activities were done in April and May with a combination of activities that Gail will share with you in a little bit . Our next major phase of this strategy is to bring all of the state blind deaf projects on board with this activity and make sure we are all moving forward as a national network. In the fall we expect that there will actually be some network action planning that will rollout of the information gathered and the sharing among states. It is our hope that this will help to inform and shape perhaps or at least give an opportunity for OSEP to consider these action plan items and the information that we are collecting as they are considering the priorities for the next round of funding. Ultimately, we hope that over time we will be looking at creating an effective and efficient learning and collaborative deaf blind network and that will be built on a vision that we all share. So at this point, I will turn it back to Sam, who will tell all of you a bit more about the very specific steps in the plan. >> Thank you, Susan. So I want to talk a little bit about the concrete steps and activities that will be leading up to Summit and Summit itself and a bit about what we know about post summit so far. Clearly the post will be informed by what we have accomplished in Summit. I think what I want to say is that priests purse or comment to this is as a network, and we know this, but I think it's important to reiterate, we are all in different places in terms of experience with children who are deaf and blind and technical assistance in both the state and national level. Because of that, we all have different needs in terms of a planning and change process. I just want you to keep that in mind as I talked to some of these points and think about what's important for you in terms of your work in your state and the needs in your state and also what is important to you in terms of the work that you may be involved in at the national level and how those things intersect with each other. >> First of all, today the webinar number one is the purpose to layout the process so everyone understands the process leading up to Summit and post-Summit. You will hear today about the vision and there will be opportunities for you to give input on the vision information that you will hear in a number of ways, and that will be through the portal -- Portal which I think everyone is signed on to and I know a lot of you have been using actively as far as the foreman feedback and posting materials and things like that. Hopefully that is familiar to you. In the next couple of days, there will be of post in the forum with the vision the materials and some questions and we hope you'll take the time to go in there and read on it and reflect on it a little bit and post some answers there, or I should say input. Many of you have been involved with conversations with Linda, which we have been hearing about from her and it sounds fabulous, some really valuable and great information . She will be sharing some of that out to the network in the coming weeks just to give all the states an idea of what everyone has been saying and what some of the themes are out of the conversation but the little bit you have been hearing so far has been incredibly informative. So after that, the week of July 11, and this relates to the vision again, is to try to give different types of opportunities for people who would like to participate in different ways in terms of input on the vision and values. We will have probably too, we will see what the responses like, but probably to Adobe meetings, so if you want to give input in a more interactive manner, live and interactive, we will have meetings to do that. One opportunity that will preclude the other so if you have given input online and you still want to come to a meeting, feel free to do that. It does not mean you cannot. That provides multiple opportunities for people to give input. Again, I don't our hope is everyone will look at the material that is on the Portal around the vision and values and give input but we do realize that everyone has different needs according to your experience in the network. >> The next activity will be on July 20, I forgot to put the date there. But that is the second webinar. That will be to update everyone in the network on the current state of the initiative and those initiatives that will be sharing their current work and what opportunities exist that states can take advantage of. When you come in to summit, you already have a bit of that information. After that, the week before Summit , there will be some material on the Portal. This material will be a series of questions, but it is for your personal reflection. We encourage you to post comments on it to get people thinking. But this will ask you to reflect on your state, and the needs of your state and the needs of your project and how that might intersect with the national initiative as you know them and what the opportunities might be for you and your state. So, again, you come into Summit having done some thinking about this before we arrive and have a chance to work it out. Summit, which is on the 31st, I am looking forward to. I hope you are as well. It is a rare opportunity to meet face-to-face and we all do enjoy that limited opportunity. Summit will again be two things. One is the current state of the initiative and what opportunities there are four states to take advantage of and also how we can work together now as a structure and there will be strategic planning time and will talk about the change model a bit and use some of that within Summit to push our collaborative work as a network forward. Post summit is up to interpretation at this point according to how things were allowed and develop at Summit, but these are some of the things that we are thinking and I know that Linda has mentioned the need for the assessment piece with some of you in the conversations she's been having. That is one thing for sure we will do a national needs assessment of all the projects and networks and exactly again what that will entail will be informed by Summit The other thing for sure is some type of product or somewhere telling the story of where we have been is the network and where we are going. That is really for ourselves, but it is also as Susan mentioned for OSEP , setting priorities for the next cycle. It's important that we be able to tell the story of our collaboration, which they have made clear, and it's very important. Okay? Did I miss anything? Know? All right. I will then turn it over to Linda now. >> I will just take a quick moment to express my enthusiasm based on conversations with, and I think it is listed on the next slide, that I have had the privilege of talking with state project directors and coordinators and these conversations have been informative as Sam said , and it will take me a little while to put some of the ideas down, the insight I have gotten. I will have it set in a way that you can hear each other before you get together at Summit. You can see what the common thoughts are and see what our differences are based on the way things are going in an individual state. The reason I got into this conversation was I missed talking to everybody, number one, but secondly, in preparation for summit -- Summit, it was clear to me to regroup. We are 3 1/2 years into a five-year cycle. Let's stop week -- in the busyness of life and think how we are doing is a network and what we consider doing doing year number four and your number five to solidify what we have learned about being a good network and a good technical assistance network that indeed makes us more efficient and effective in reaching the children, their families, and the service providers. I have been able to talk to 31 states so far. The calls are still scheduled for later this week and early next week. 12 more people have made appointments, and I just can't stop smiling about the immediate response when I said, do you think you can give me some time? We fill up the whole hour, each conversation. Each one has been full of information. I tried to ask the questions that will get us thinking. Once again, how well are we doing as a network, how do you as a state project utilize the network right now and do the critical work of reaching the kids in your state? I learned a few things. I put down here on this slide some of them. It's no surprise. You can't be a good enough network of your communication isn't always efficient and effective. We need ways to be in touch with each other. I think just about everyone has said how much they miss the face-to-face time that we had more of in the past when we seemed to have travel money and resources and time to do that. So it has been difficult to have the communication that we desire. It is obvious how much everyone loves to know what is going on in another state and be able to support each other when we can. So we miss it, and we wish we had it. In one of my conversations, I am smiling at this point, because in one of the conversations it was brought up how our ability to use more of a virtual conversation format, not to -- the face-to-face, can be compared to what it might like for the children that we serve who are deaf and blind. On the communication matrix in particular when you think about it, as we learn to reach out and touch and communicate with each other effectively in this new format of the digital world, that at first our interactions maybe simple behaviors, not necessarily consistent, and hopefully, as time moves along, we learn to eventually get to be a bit more proficient in our communication in this platform and move on into those abstract symbols that sometimes confound us now. I think that people are finding ways to at least perceive the information and go in and see what others are producing and start to express more and more with each other what it is that we have in common and sharing the ideas. I do not -- know and I look forward to summit when we get into conversations of the complexities of providing technical assistance in the state and we talk about, once again, our similarities and differences and how we can share ideas with each other on how to revolve the challenges. It may be that at Summit we find ways to group together and where, depending on where you are located, some of you are at State Department or at schools for the blind or deaf or others of you are at university, and because of where you are located, there are similarities that you may want to group together in that way and talk about how you have gone about doing the technical things in that state. >> Structures are different and maybe that is a way we can engage in conversation to become more collaborative and what we do. There is a lot of difference between the larger states and the smaller states, as you may guess. This is as far as the resources you have. I do know that at Summit with our focus , as Sam said, the seminar will be bringing updates on the work of the initiative, tools and products and processes that you may want to take advantage of in the doing of the TA the state. During the conversations I have had, it's become apparent that it is a lot to figure out. This is how to do the individual TA and in the end also address those common outcomes that we have that are within the initiative. And so it would be great conversation to find out how did we accomplish those common outcomes that are expressed in these initiatives. How are you accomplishing transition and how is that looking in early identification and child count and literacy and family engagement and qualified personnel. How is that being addressed within your everyday technical assistance text it is addressing the needs of the children and the families and service providers. I will stop. The conversations are continuing, and I am looking forward to more conversation over the next couple of weeks in summarizing those for you all to take a look at what everybody is saying. >> Robin, do you want to switch up the share pod ? Just so that we all come to the meeting understanding where we of all been, I will take you on a sort of a little run through that charts our progress up to date about this work that we are engaged in for a while now. That is creating a deaf blind TA network. I use the wiki in a state portal to put this information together so I will not read every word so don't panic and secondly you can look at it later on at your own leisure if there are some questions that you have or something that is not clear. But I think it is important to recognize that ever since 2011, when NCDB was not given a new grant project but engaged in a two-year extension of the first version of NCDB . OSEP asked us to really think about how we could better collaborate an increase that and better integrate the efforts of the work for the federal responded deaf blind projects. So NCDB has been thinking about that and trying to move in that direction since about 2011. One of the first things that NCDB did was adopt a national initiative as a way to think about focusing on national efforts. We thought reflected in the 2013 proposals some memorandums of understanding between states with their collaborative work. We have lots of buy-in from state projects across the country for co-creating a national tool and modules and there is a real exploration, I think, on all of our parts in looking at digital tools to better create an better share. The letter D letter MP being one of them. It is ways to move ahead a little bit by using technology to be a little bit more effective. NCDB wrote into our proposal the idea that we would still continue down this path of networking engagement by building technical work groups into all of the work that we had lined up in our 2013 proposal. And so one of those technical work groups was a network engagement technical workgroup and we invited states and a number of state projects to come together and help us put some ideas together to talk about what did it mean to be a network and how could -- what processes could we engage in that to improve our collaborative efforts, and a lot of that work since early 2013 at least 5 to 6 times each year and a lot of what they have -- were very generous in their time and with their ideas and a lot of that work has been instrumental in guiding what proceeded over the last few years. >> I will say that it has been extraordinary, I think, to bring people from state projects into the national centers. Both Linda and Susan coming in to work with us around network engagement because it is so much of the work is now brooded I think far more strongly in the state perspective and it has made -- I found it exciting because one of the things that we recognize, not long into the work, was the extent to which becoming a network is a change process. That change doesn't just happen and it requires good strategy. I think we really made headway with that in our summit session last year. One of the sessions was the building our community and network engagement, and Susan led that. She brought with her this model for change and she will be talking about it in a minute, that we used this to really plan for the session because we knew going into it that as a network and a state projects and as a group of federally funded projects, we have skills and incentives and resources, but we really, it was easy to see that what we didn't have was a collective vision. So we spent time at the sessions identifying what are all of these assets that we have. We spent some time also talking about what would drive us and our vision. This little beehive. Captures -- this captures what we have here. These are the kinds of things that would be of value for us to collectively come up with a vision statement. We created an action plan at that session. You can look and read any of that if you're interested. There is a link here. This is a digest of the things we outlined, and we worked to complete some of these things since this is the last year. We took a stab at creating a graphic and it summarized the value of a deaf blind technical assistance network. We have not really put this out on the street at all. But it just helps to understand the facts. You can't really see it may be very well, but this is the project you reached when you are state project. This is lined up with other state projects in terms of your resources. This is what happens when you connect the dots within the network and within your resources. The idea is that collectively the impact of our work is much greater. Deaf blindness presents national challenges and it's working together to create solutions. >> I think it is easy to understand the value of a shared vision. We went through this exercise in our staff meeting and Linda and Susan were talking about this in April. We know the devil is in the details when it comes to really operationalizing the work. That I would say that in that process with our staff meeting, it was really important to just give voice to what are the underlying assumptions about the work that we all collectively engage in. That is why we are going back to this idea that we will collectively develop a vision statement for the network. You can check out also the materials and there is a link to how we came up with the wording that is represented here in both of these vision statements, and so there are two vision statements here. I think Linda will talk about this in a little bit about getting your feedback related to a vision for a national network. Hopefully it will be resolved by the time we are all appearing at Summit. I think Sam has outlined a little bit of the work . Moving forward our [Indiscernible] came together to review the vision statement and the plans for moving this across the network. The DB planning group came together early in June and I had -- think they had some really excellent suggestions for making this clearer so that we all arrived at Summit more prepared. That group will come together again to address final details for the meeting. Linda will talk with you about her stay conversations. This is talking about the July 20 webinar and small-group conversations. These are all opportunities that I hope you will take advantage of to provide feedback so that when we are at Summit in July we will all be ready to work. >> Susan, will talk about this next. >> Many of you may have seen something like this visual. This was actually created by Mary Lippitt back in the 80s and she created this visual to talk about change in the reference to management. She is the founder of enterprise management. This idea comes from business and how to facilitate effective working of people together. Many of you are probably familiar with it. I know that mice -- my first introduction to this model was in the early 90s. When it came into a lot of the literature and presentations and special education because we were undergoing some pretty significant changes in special education trying to really implement the public law effectively. It meant really looking at what to placed in our educational programs and in our schools differently. So when we began to do this work actually for the Summit in 2015, we were really looking for some kind of model that might be somewhat familiar to people in the state deaf blind projects but also a model that would be a framework that is simple enough for us to understand that we don't have to learn a lot of new things or create a model ourselves. This seemed to be very effective. Those of you who are familiar with it, I hope you will find it useful, and those who are new to it, I think you'll catch on very quickly on how this has become a framework. We know and we have talked already today about how we are changing. This is just the increase in technology as one change that impacts every single one of us. The increase in resources that have come about by the work of NCDB and initiatives and the tools that are available to us now. The people that we have connected with through this state portal and the webinars and the activities at NCDB has been inviting and facilitating each of the state projects to participate in. There is no doubt that we are changing. But I think what our goal in all of this work that we have been doing is to really kind of take charge of that change. Because often this change happens to us, and we would really like to step out ahead of that and to really try to think about ways that we can create the change that we want to see take place in the network. So a couple of the things, for those particularly who are new to this model, Mary Lippitt says that each one of these things must be added together in order to have a managed or what we are using the word as strategic change for our purposes. She goes on to say that if you don't have a vision, you are likely to have a lot of confusion in your system. If you don't have the skills, people get very anxious, and I am sure each one of you, as I go through these items, you will attest to situations that you have worked with as a TA provider where one of these things has been missing. If you don't have incentives to make changes, you will get resistance. People resist making change because they will want to know what is in it for me and how will I benefit from making this change in the way that I work. If you don't have the resources, we all know what that is like. You become frustrated. You know what needs to be done but you don't have what you need to make it happen. Finally, if you don't have a plan of action, you can have all of these things in place but you are very likely to be on a treadmill or having a lot of false starts because you don't have a clear way or a clear set of steps to get you to that desired change that you are trying to create. So we have used this model in the twig and in the summit last summer and also in the work with NCDB because it's a helpful way for us to reflect and to really consider when things aren't working well what may be missing. So as we go forward, we will take a look at some of these things, not only the vision, as Linda will talk about in a minute, but we would like you all to come to Summit and we will give you a little bit of a structure to do that in the coming weeks to really think about the skills and incentives and resources that exist within your own project and within your own state. As Linda mentioned before, we recognize that there are a lot of differences, depending on where you are located. The resources that you have or the incentives that you have may impact on what you can do in terms of being part of a state or national network. Of those are some of the things that we would like to look at. We would like to be able to understand and create the role for NCDB and the states to make sure that we have resources and skills and incentives leading to a clear vision that we share and that we can use our state projects and are NCDB future projects as part of that action to get the change accomplished in the way that we believe a national network should actually function. So the whole point is that in becoming a national network or strengthening a national network that already exist we are hoping that we can reduce duplication of effort and that we can maximize those resources that are available to all of us and we will be able to create or find ways to establish incentives that really help us to do our jobs in each state. Certainly also to identify resources that maybe we don't have right now. Perhaps there will be other initiatives that will be important to add to our national resources as we go forward. So we will be looking to all of you to help us to reflect on this individually as well as across all of the projects and we hope that we will be able to really lay out a plan of action in the coming months for strategic change. I will turn it back, I believe, to Linda. >> I will start off just saying that that particular document, the Wiki that Gill was showing you , that gave you the history about why we are talking about this I think is really a helpful place to go back to when this particular presentation is over. Please do that. I think -- you can move me ahead in the slides. It's just to reiterate what I would like to say and that is why are we thinking about vision and values that we hold, all of us, when we think about ourselves. That particular document, Gail, is helpful to show how the work has been building and clearly thinking about our division of a deaf blind technical assistance network. I like the fact that on that document you went back and we have on their where OSEP had the vision themselves at this grant cycle and we would clearly be a network. Deaf blind technical assistance with the national Center an individual state projects. We still have the support of that from OSEP, and this is an opportunity I think to stop and check ourselves and think about, well why did OSEP really encourage that this last grant cycle. They truly do see us doing a better job with the children. The result that they want for this -- from this network of deaf blind technical assistance projects is better results for children and every state being able to access the expertise they may not have in their state in certain areas. They will know who else to call and they will know what other resources to find to do the work so that every state then has the opportunity to get what is needed for quality technical assistance. So equal access to TA and resources is why we are doing so much more sharing than ever before. This is what we collectively produce. I do know that OSEP acknowledges regularly. We do have limited resources. They are coming from the US Department of [Indiscernible] to our work and they -- their desire is, please don't duplicate efforts. Do use resources that you have been able to share effectively. They did have a vision, and what I like about doing this conversation or having this conversation again right now is thinking clearly again what is division. I love the idea of vision and that it helps people think about what is the purpose and what is the purpose of the technical assistance in the end and what are we trying to accomplish. The vision to may also should imply the structure of having a national center and an individual state project and a vision statement should address that. It guides us in our prioritizing that Susan was just saying. Our vision and forms then what initiatives we will collectively work on because we know once again we will have better results for the children in every state if we work on these things together. Division also informs our processes and how we go about doing that work. It is implied within the vision if we can actually be doing this. I like a vision statement to try to address all of that and imply all of that. All of the production that happens and the dissemination and implementation of all of that, it is implied within the vision statement. Also within the vision are those values that we hold really dear to the work that we are engaged in. I don't think will go into detail on this call about particular values that are probably things that we hold collectively. As I said earlier, it's become apparent in my conversations with everybody that we do value very much good relationships. A good relationship can come about through communication with one another. It comes about through collaboration and successful collaboration, which we have been celebrating in my comes -- phone conversations with everybody. We took advantage of collective resources and expertise and a true celebration it is. You don't feel alone in the work. You feel supported and you feel much more empowered to do it. We value that and we see the successes from that. >> There are two vision statements that we are putting out there for your thoughts. Once again, as the document that Gail shared earlier gives a little history about how this has been building. You can look back at that and see what happened at the last Summit when a session was on this or talking about this and what does it mean to be a network and what is the vision and how we can actually implement a vision. And how are we doing and what kind of skills do we have and what we might have. Once again it is that chart and thinking again so we know what direction we are going in and what will give me the incentive to do this. How will it actually helps the children in my state. Skills and resources, once again, on what you will rely on. I can't wait, of course, and many of you are eager. What will you do differently. What is the plan of action that will come as a result of this? We ask you now to be thinking about these two vision statements. I think you will notice in the slide and the next slide, and they are the ones posted in that location that she showed you earlier, the document that is talking about building the vision, you will see within this statement and within the next one, I think somewhere, the vision did very much address the fact that we are feeling -- we know that our vision is to get good information into the hands of those people who are around the child. We are feeling very much our vision just to make sure everyone has access to good content. I think you will see in both of the vision statements that we want to share and we want to be in collaboration to find all of that great content and get it out there in a way that we are engaging in it together. So you will see the sharing and the leadership in the collaboration that is in their. Then you will see two other, I think, comments. You will see that we really are trying to put ourselves out there so that others see us and that OSEP CSN that state Department of Education CS and it's a system of quality services are being offered. We are looking for quality services to be there. We want to see systems adopting those services. In the end, one seems to be sustainable in a state around the child. We are looking for building the capacity so that it is sustained. If you look at this one here. >> Children who are deaf blind have the access to the best knowledge and practice to ensure quality educational outcomes and meaningful life experiences. To meet the needs of this low incidence and diverse population, a national network, through shared leadership and collaboration, creates a sustainable system supporting families and service providers in the delivery of services by knowledgeable and qualified personnel. That is the first offering. The next slide has the second offering. >> We, at the end of this webinar, are looking for your feedback. We will explain the you how to give that feedback and some face-to-face opportunities that you mentioned earlier. The second vision statement is children with deaf blindness and their parents and the professionals who serve them will receive the knowledge and practice needed to prepare their children to achieve full integration and participation in society including education, employment, and community living. To meet the needs of this low incidence and diverse population, national networks through shared leadership and collaboration will create a sustainable system of high quality and coordinated support services by knowledgeable and qualified personnel. To date, we have two offerings, and we will be looking for feedback. Sam, do you want to give them the how to ? >> Thank you Gail and Sam and Susan and Linda. It was helpful for me to clarify. >> I will spend a couple of minutes just talking about the next steps and what you should be a look out for, and then we will have a few minutes at the end of for questions if anyone has any. First of all, before Summit, the bulk of the work is going to be going on in the Portal. The other things will be going on in the Portal. You have to keep an eye out for your notifications and just as a reminder, there are two ways that you will see those. You will either get them in your email in that daily digest or you will see them, if you are logged into the website when you get there by your name you will see that number which keeps getting larger and larger until you print out something. Remember that that is what you should be am a look out for. The first thing, again, is the opportunity for everyone to comment on the vision and values and that will be going up in the next couple of days in the Portal . Be on the lookout in your notifications, and you will see that. Again cut you can participate in those small groups if you want to, and that is the week of the 11th and you will see that. Again cut you can participate in those small groups if you want to, and that is the week of 11 July. It was really optional. The opportunity is there and hopefully some of you will take advantage of that. Is clearly gives a different type of experience in giving words interact -- interactive and you can give some our collective gathering and decision about some of those things. It's different and it's something that we at NCDB hope people take advantage of. On your calendars, just Mark 20 July. That is that second webinar. Remember also there will be some other messages coming out from Linda and through the Portal. Be on the lookout in the next six weeks leading up to the Summit as things roll out. >> Just a very concrete thing, if you have not registered for the summit -- the Summit in July, please do. There are some who have not so we would appreciate getting those numbers and so we could do some concrete planning. Okay? Linda, Susan and Gail ? >> There was a question in our chat. You can go ahead, Sam, about what you are anticipating about coming into the Portal in the kind of comments you are looking for. >> Join in if you have anything. These are two examples, and it's not that we are asking people to choose. We are asking -- there will be a series of questions and things for you to reflect on in terms of the vision that will ask you to think about your experience and your states and think about your experience in the network and what does that mean for your vision of a deaf blind network and of services to families and service providers and children who are deaf blind. What does that mean for you and your work and in your interactions with people in the field and then we will take that and that input will inform those vision statements. We put two of them out there just so people can see some different examples and things we had worked on so it wasn't one thing for you to look at it it was to give you more information to think about. The other thing is the wiki that Gill showed you there is information in the wiki itself and then there is also links to documents with a lot of the background information that we at NCDB and as a network engaged in twig and last year's Summit, all the background information that is used to get to where we are now. There are two levels of information to look at and think about. When you're answering those questions, you want to go in and dig into the Wiki and if you have time and want to look at that information as well. It will give you a richer context. Does that answer your question? Does that make sense to everyone? >> I think a simpler explanation for me it right now, what I would hope for, is at least if you see these examples and you have a strong feeling that something is being stated wrong, that is not my experience. Please put those thoughts down. And then if something is left out and you feel, weight, a vision should include this thought. Those kind of comments are helpful so we can have consensus in the end. We want to move ahead on that vision to get the work done. >> When will the final agenda be out for Summit? I will hazard to guess and say probably two weeks before Summit -- Summit. We will have a final agenda. We still have work to do in the planning committee meetings and so we have a structure developing and our minds, but I will say Midshipman July. Does that work for you? You say there is a stock agenda and I can tune that up for you if it would help. I will do that for you. >> I think the agenda finalizing will involve how to create in an eight hour day 16 hours of available conversation time that is the struggle people want to obviously engage in large amounts of conversation about all of the nuances of providing technical assistance in a state and so the struggle we have right now is how to use that time extremely wisely Mike said try to stretch eight hours into 16 that is a lot of fun trying to do that. >> I see some more instruction in the chat. How to use the document that sums up the vision. >> They download it. They don't link to it directly. They download it. It is typical of documents uploaded to the site. They usually download and you go look for either your download icon or on the left-hand corner of your screen, the lower left hand corner is where your documents show up. >> Great. Thank you, everyone. Thanks for joining us today and, again, if you have questions I always encourage people to send an email or even pick up the telephone and call us. We are here and we are here to answer questions and help you in any way that we can. Please don't ever feel that I shouldn't be calling or I can't be calling. We do like to hear from people. I know I do. If you have any questions about it or any comments, please pick up the phone and we will send you an email and we would love to talk to you about it. Thank you, everyone. >> Thank you. >> [Event concluded]